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Show 20 - POWER AND RESISTANCE

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WILL THE CIRCLE BE UNBROKEN? 

A Personal History of the Civil Rights Movement in Five Southern Communities

EPISODE 20: POWER AND RESISTANCE

JACKSON, MISSISSIPPI

Written By: Narcel Reedus and George King 
with Vertamae Grosvenor

 

MAYOR RUSSELL DAVIS

This tragedy leaves us all with feelings of sincere grief and sorrow. It has occurred in spite of my most sincere belief that it would never happen in our city. This is the darkest day of my life.

 

SERIES THEME MUSIC: "Will The Circle Be Unbroken?"
[The Staple Singers]

 

NARRATOR

You are listening to Will the Circle be Unbroken?, a personal history of the Civil Rights Movement in five Southern communities and the music of those times.

 

MUSIC
"Turn, Turn, Turn"
[The Byrds]

 

NARRATOR

By the mid 1960's, the war in Vietnam, black power, and frustration with the pace of change were transforming the Civil Rights Movement.

 

MUSIC
"Turn, Turn, Turn"
[The Byrds]

 

NARRATOR

In Mississippi, in 1966, James Meredith had embarked on a lone "march against fear" from Memphis to Jackson.

 

Rims Barber...

 

RIMS BARBER

James Meredith is such a loner that nobody was sure what...why he was doing it.

 

OWEN BROOKS

I had met Meredith before...

 

NARRATOR

Owen Brooks was an organizer in the Mississippi Delta.

NARRATOR

...and he announced publicly in the press that he was going to conduct a march against fear in an effort to get people to...to respond to that call through registering to vote, primarily.

 

NARRATOR

A reporter interviewed Meredith before his 220-mile march.

 

REPORTER4

You mentioned the elements of danger. Do you expect violence during the walk this year?

 

ACTUALITY: JAMES MEREDITH4

Well, of course, we hope that we all are gonna to find ways in this country to live in peace and harmony, and we don't think Mississippi's any different. We think that Mississippi is just like everywhere else. It has mostly fine people and a few that are not.

 

MUSIC
"Blowin' In The Wind"
[Stevie Wonder]

 

NARRATOR

On June 4, 1966, James Meredith left the Peabody Hotel in Memphis bound for Jackson. Just across the Mississippi state line, Aubrey James Norvell, a white Memphis eccentric, felled Meredith with a buck shot blast. Meredith was rushed to a Memphis hospital.

 

Hosea Williams was a field organizer for SCLC, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.

 

HOSEA WILLIAMS

When James Meredith was shot down, everybody got together–all the civil rights organizations.

 

NARRATOR

Once again, Owen Brooks...

 

OWEN BROOKS

Well, there was discussion about...obviously about his being shot, and there was discussion about the march and how it should be continued, or whether it should be continued in his absence.

 

NARRATOR

SNCC, the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, had spent the last two years organizing in the Delta.

 

 

SNCC's chairman, Stokely Carmichael...

STOKELY CARMICHAEL1

[Carmichael describes how people understood the connection between voting and their everyday lives.]
Text unavailable due to copyright restrictions

OWEN BROOKS

There were some arguments. We had meetings every night until we actually left Memphis.

 

NARRATOR

Again, Hosea Williams...

 

HOSEA WILLIAMS

SNCC wanted to take over that march and get rid of the nonviolence..at the Lorraine Motel and Stokely and his boys were really witty.

 

STOKELY CARMICHAEL1

[Carmichael describes how King was centrist with SNCC and CORE more radical and the NAACP and Urban League more conservative.]
Text unavailable due to copyright restrictions.

HOSEA WILLIAMS

And Stokely said these words, "Now whatever we do, we can't run King out. We got to keep King as a part of us. That's the only way we gonna keep the press. He will keep the press."

 

STOKELY CARMICHAEL1

[Carmichael describes political manuevers to pressure King to the left by minimizing the NAACP and Urban League.]
Text unavailable due to copyright restrictions.

HOSEA WILLIAMS

And they insulted Roy Wilkins, so he finally got up and told Dr. King, "Well, I'm going on back to New York, if you need me—I can't work under these conditions."

 

OWEN BROOKS

Well, there was sort of...yeah...verbal warfare there [chuckling]. The style of leadership was quite different. The NAACP's style as opposed to SNCC's confrontational kind of...of civil rights work that they had been involved in.

 

RIMS BARBER

Stokely called Roy Wilkins, a "Mother fuckin' Uncle Tom," and Roy got up and left. And never came back.

 

MUSIC
"Did You Ever Have To Make Up Your Mind?"
[The Lovin' Spoonful]

NARRATOR

As SNCC had worked extensively in the Mississippi Delta, Stokely Carmichael saw the march as an opportunity to advance the organization's political philosophy.

 

STOKELY CARMICHAEL1

[Carmichael says that it was important to take on Mississippi, where resistance was the strongest.]
Text unavailable due to copyright restrictions.

NARRATOR

Again, Owen Brooks...

 

OWEN BROOKS

We had a good coalition of forces that had gathered together around the effort and we...it was not going to simply be just a march from one point to another. It should be a march that attempted to reach people with the message of voter registration and voter education.

 

NARRATOR

Again, Stokely Carmichael..

 

STOKELY CARMICHAEL1

[Carmichael describes nationalism and organizing as his direction.]
Text unavailable due to copyright restrictions.

NARRATOR

Physician James Anderson...

 

DR. JAMES ANDERSON

I think Stokely's was considered a little radical for a lot of the people in Mississippi.

 

RIMS BARBER

Most of the day was spent just walking.

 

NARRATOR

Again, Rims Barber...

 

RIMS BARBER

And it was hot. And it was hard to get up the spirit sometimes, right? But then we would...had arranged, you know, at different towns that people...where the stops were where people would make speeches and try and promote some local voter registration along the route. And there people got excited.

 

PROTEST MARCH FX

[Sounds from the march.]

NARRATOR

Again, Owen Brooks..

 

OWEN BROOKS

These were Mississippi Delta poor people who needed hope, right? Who needed to know that there was another way for them, right? That their life could be transformed, maybe if not for themselves but for their children.

 

COURTLAND COX

Clearly, the most memorable thing coming out of the Meredith March was Stokely's discussion on black power.

 

NARRATOR

Stokely Carmichael, Willie Ricks and other SNCC members saw a way to empower the poor blacks of the Mississippi Delta.

 

Again, Stokely Carmichael...

 

STOKELY CARMICHAEL1

[Carmichael says Greenwood was the focus of SNCC organizing.]
Text unavailable due to copyright restrictions.

NARRATOR

Courtland Cox...

 

COURTLAND COX

And Willie Ricks was going around talking about power to black people. Ricks crystallized the idea about power to black people. And then when Stokely got up, he said, "What we need is black power."

 

ACTUALITY: STOKELY CARMICHAEL SPEECH5

Don't be afraid. Don't be ashamed. We want black power. We want black power. We want black power. We want black power. We want black power. That's right. That's what we want, black power. And we don't have to be ashamed of it.

We have stayed here and we've begged the President, we've begged the federal government. That's all we've been doing, begging, begging. It's time we stand up and take over. Take over.

 

COURTLAND COX

It was a huge explosion nationally. I mean, Whitney Young and Roy Wilkins and the rest of these guys were called on to denounce Stokely, to say that's not what we really wanted was black power.

 

ACTUALITY: STOKELY CARMICHAEL SPEECH5

Now from now on when they ask you what you want, you know what to tell them. What do you want?

Black power!

What do you want?

Black power!

What do you want?

Black power!

Everybody, what do you want?

 Black power!

That's what we gon' get.

NARRATOR

Again, Hosea Williams...

 

HOSEA WILLIAMS

That's when the New York Times came out with a huge article about black power takin' over the march.

 

OWEN BROOKS

There were implications that this black power would also promote a violent responses from black people in various parts of the country, because it went...it swept the country very quickly.

 

MUSIC
"Shotgun"
[Jr. Walker]

 

NARRATOR

Historian and Ebony editor Lerone Bennett wrote that black power was in the air before Carmichael made his speech. Although the slogan gave many a sense of pride, others were uncomfortable.

 

Stokely Carmichael...

 

STOKELY CARMICHAEL1

[Carmichael describes how King wanted him not to use the "Black Power" slogan but he refused.]
Text unavailable due to copyright restrictions

NARRATOR

As the marchers neared Jackson, police in Canton, Mississippi, used tear gas and billy clubs to disperse them as they tried to pitch tents at a local black school. The organizers called on the federal government for protection, but President Lyndon Johnson refused to send in troops. After his release from the hospital, James Meredith rejoined the march and led the marchers into Jackson.

 

ACTUALITY: JAMES MEREDITH4

The purpose of the march that I started three weeks ago today was to fight up and to challenge that thing at the base of the system of white supremacy, and that thing is fear.

 

NARRATOR

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr...

 

ACTUALITY: DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.4

We cannot stand here today without paying tribute to that courageous native son of Mississippi, James Meredith.

 [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

 I still have a dream this afternoon. One day Mississippi, a state which has an affinity for the bottom, will have an affinity for the top.

NARRATOR

Stokely Carmichael...

 

ACTUALITY: STOKELY CARMICHAEL4

Number one, we have to stop bein' ashamed of bein' black.

[CHEERS]

Stop bein' ashamed of bein' black. Number two, we have to move to a position where we can feel strength and unity amongst each other from once to order, where we won't ever be afraid.

 

NARRATOR

In the summer of 1966, black power echoed across the nation.

 

MUSIC
"Hold On, I'm Coming"
[Sam & Dave]

 

NARRATOR

King's nonviolent tactics that had guided the Movement for 10 years were no longer the only option. That fall the Black Panther Party was born in Oakland, California, and the conflict in Vietnam escalated— America was at war.

 

Student, Gene Young...

 

GENE YOUNG

Students on campuses everywhere were demanding a greater voice in campus affairs. And coming on the heels of Kent State, students were protesting that in addition to the war at Vietnam.

 

NARRATOR

Bandele Yaro...

 

BANDELE YARO

Jackson State was one of the campuses that was protesting the war.

 

NARRATOR

Poet, writer and novelist Margaret Walker Alexander...

 

MARGARET WALKER ALEXANDER3

Very few people know the history of how black boys in Mississippi were railroaded into Vietnam. Seventeen and eighteen-year old boys, freshmen out of Tougaloo and Jackson State colleges and any college in Mississippi, who might not have made that first year in college, when they failed their schools automatically reported it to the draft board and those boys didn't even get in summer school before they were called.

 

MUSIC
"War"
[Edwin Starr]

NARRATOR

By 1970, students at historically-black Jackson State College began to protest the war and to challenge white harassment on their campus.

 

NARRATOR

Again, Bandele Yaro...

 

BANDELE YARO

Our campus was literally a place where, you know, our women were disrespected. White men would drive through and call 'em, and offer 'em money, flash, you know, and sometimes it would be done by the same group over and over, you know.

 

NARRATOR

Margaret Walker Alexander taught at Jackson State.

 

MARGARET WALKER ALEXANDER3

Now, the college had asked that the campus be blocked off at 8:30. The only two cars that evening that came through from Rose Street and passed the dormitories were two cars with white men in them.

On sight, the fellows at Stewart hall, I understand, threw rocks at those cars when they saw them.

 

GENE YOUNG

Whites would drive through here and intimidate us.

 

NARRATOR

Jackson State student Gene Young...

 

GENE YOUNG

...or somebody might throw a rock and hit one of them or something, you know. All day, constantly, even into the evening hours. And I think it may have been some cars had their windows smashed coming through here.

 

ACTUALITY: POLICE RADIO CALL

Thirty-three, go ahead.

You got a bunch of colored subjects down here in front of Jackson State throwing rocks at passing cars. Just hit a car and broke one of the glasses out of it and they threw three or four rocks at us as we passed.

 

GENE YOUNG

Beyond the jeering and taunting and confrontation, I didn't think anything was gonna come of it.

 

NARRATOR

On the afternoon of May 15, 1970, students and others participated in a rally near the girls' dormitory.

 

 

MUSIC
"Ball of Confusion"
[The Temptations]

 

MARGARET WALKER ALEXANDER3

And then appeared a unit of policemen who had been supposedly on target practice or rifle range practice, beefed up by a unit of the Highway Patrol. This unit suddenly appeared at the corner of Valley and Lynch, and the guns were handed out to them there.

 

JACKSON STATE STUDENT4

The Highway Patrolmen came down the streets, and the kids saw 'em, but it was like...they wasn't doin' anything, so I don't think they was too afraid.

 

JOHN BOOKINS4

It was more or less guys horsing around in front of the girls' dorm.

 

NARRATOR

John Bookins was the senior class president.

 

JOHN BOOKINS4

Well, you know how guys are. Before you know it...it might appear that somebody's fighting or kidding around, and then a lot of people gather, and then somebody throws something, you know.

 

ACTUALITY: POLICE RADIO CALL

10-4, chief. We have a perimeter set up here, but we are being rocked. Should we go ahead and gas 'em in these dormitories or just hold off?

 

JOHN BOOKINS4

And the chief of 'em, I guess, you know, he came out and he said, "Ladies and gentlemen," and they started shooting...

 

ACTUALITY: POLICE RADIO CALL

 

2-8?

2-8, go ahead.

There's a bunch of gunfire back here at Dalton and Pearl.

 

MARGARET WALKER ALEXANDER3

When they got up there, they said, "Ladies and gentlemen," and got the attention of the people. And without uttering another word, they began to fire and students began to scream and run. People heard the gunfire more than a block away.

 

NARRATOR

That night, in an unprovoked assault, police fired more than a thousands rounds at a group of students gathered in front of a girls' dormitory on the campus. A number of students were injured. James Earl Green and Philip Gibbs were killed.

Gene Young...

 

GENE YOUNG

I waited until the shooting ended, and went back around and the smoke was still in the air...people crying, and just to see that scene– It's a miracle that only Philip Gibbs and James Green got killed, because it was some bullets shot that morning.

 

NARRATOR

Another Jackson State student...

 

JACKSON STATE STUDENT4

So then after they stopped firing, One girl was hollerin' for help. The first thing they did was to reach down and pick up the shells that fell out their guns and put 'em in their pocket. And meanwhile I ran across the street, and another boy was layin' down on the ground, bleedin' from the eyes, the nose, the ear and the mouth. One of the boys who died, Gibbs.

 

ACTUALITY: POLICE RADIO CALL

23?

2-3.

We need ambulances.

Where do you need 'em, 23?

The girls' dormitory on Lynch Street...

10-4. How many do you need?

You'd better send all you can get.

 

GENE YOUNG

And women looking out the windows were all witness to this. Even if they were not hit physically, they were traumatized by it psychologically. The school was closed immediately after that.

 

NARRATOR

The next day Jackson Mayor Russell Davis held a press conference.

 

JACKSON MAYOR RUSSELL DAVIS4

My information is that, involved at the beginning were some outsiders who threw a rock or someone threw a rock, and then we had...it built up and it began to look pretty serious around 9 or 9:30. I just feel like that this thing last night could have been real serious. It was not...everyone involved did a good job. And I hope this is the end of it.

 

NARRATOR

The image of the 10-story wall of the girls' dormitory riddled with bullet holes was televised throughout the country. Jackson College students and the black community were outraged and called for a full scale investigation.

Alex White spoke at a press conference.

 

ALEX WHITE4

It is our opinion that the actions of the Highway Patrol, and other officers if so involved, constitutes murder. The bullet holes in the girls' dormitory show a deliberate pattern to the firing. All doors of the building were fired upon, with a concentration at a ground floor doorway where fleeing students were trying to enter. We cannot find justification for the shooting of fleeing students, regardless of the supposed provocation.

BANDELE YARO

The killing on the campus came for nothing but pure hate.

 

NARRATOR

Jackson NAACP member Aaron Shirley...

 

AARON SHIRLEY

I personally could have set fire to some buildings downtown because the reaction of seeing the policemen laughing and joking, knowing that two kids had been killed. That's how angry and frustrated I was.

 

NARRATOR

Jackson police and the Mississippi Highway Patrol reported that they had responded to sniper fire. A grand jury convened to determine if charges would be filed against the officers.

 

News reporter Cliff Bingham read the report.

 

CLIFF BINGHAM4

In the opinion of this Grand Jury, the report states "that under the riot situation then existing, the officers of both the Jackson police and Highway Patrol had a right and were justified in discharging their weapons."

 

MUSIC
"For What It's Worth"
[The Staple Singers]

 

NARRATOR

Despite a hearing in Jackson by the President's Commission on Campus Unrest, no one was ever charged or disciplined in connection with the campus killings.

 

Jackson physician Robert Smith...

 

ROBERT SMITH

People like myself was not altogether surprised. We knew that leadership in Washington had changed, and we knew that was the way that business was being done.

 

JAMES ANDERSON

We never burned down our communities in Jackson, you know, didn't have that kind of reaction.

 

NARRATOR

Jackson physician James Anderson...

 

JAMES ANDERSON

They had all-night vigils up on campus, and people went in to be supportive. But here again, they were...that campus still was in a state control.

NARRATOR

Again, physician Aaron Shirley...

 

AARON SHIRLEY

The next big confrontation came was during graduation. You see, the cops had shot up this dorm. Great big 45-millimeter slugs...in the walls and in the windows and the kids demanded that those windows and walls not be fixed until after graduation so people who came could see.

 

NARRATOR

Again, Margaret Walker Alexander...

 

MARGARET WALKER ALEXANDER3

You can say that these student disorders have happened all over the country and National Guardsmen have been called in and students have been hurt. But name me a place where they have shot into the dormitory. Name a place. Evers said, "They wouldn't do this in a white college; they'd only do this in a black school."

 

MUSIC
"I Don't Want Nobody to Give Me Nothing"
[James Brown]

 

NARRATOR

Gene Young...

 

GENE YOUNG

Nothing was ever done. But similarly, Mississippi has a history with Emmett Till, Mack Charles Parker, Medgar Evers... So that's the tragedy of Mississippi. And that's why we say, you know, we have always known what it is to be victimized by whites, and not anything being done about it. This is part of our history here in Mississippi.

 

NARRATOR

Once more, Margaret Walker Alexander...

 

MARGARET WALKER ALEXANDER3

Here, it was a black college, with black students, with great poverty, involved in a political mill, fighting for school integration in a black school where the state does not pretend to support higher education in the way it should be supported. All of these things were in Jackson, Mississippi; this became the focal point of every issue in the country; Jackson was supremely important.

 

AARON SHIRLEY

It was just obvious that things were not going to change unless everybody got involved in bringing it about. It would be difficult for you to really understand the oppression that we were under during that time. You know, everything was based on race.

 

MUSIC
"Red Clay"
[Freddie Hubbard]

 

CREDITS


Key to Archival Collections

1 Blackside Inc./Civil Rights Project Inc/ "Eyes on the Prize," Boston, MA
2 Highlander Folk School Collection, Highlander Research & Education Center, New Market, TN
3 Oral History Collection of Martin Luther King, Jr., license granted by Intellectual Properties Management, Atlanta, GA
4 Mississippi Department of Archives and History, Jackson, MS
5 Collection of Andy Lanset
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